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  1. Steve Wood petemc
    November 26, 2013 @ 9:48 am

    I did not enjoy “rises”. Nice article

    • Steve Wood Steve Wood
      November 26, 2013 @ 9:50 am

      Is my complaint for Bane’s voice justified? I can’t be the only one that is annoyed by the volume of it.

  2. Steve Wood petemc
    November 26, 2013 @ 11:02 pm

    you’re right on steve. jacked way up

  3. Steve Wood Jack Falvey
    November 27, 2013 @ 10:10 am

    I’d love to write a counterpoint column about this. I see what you guys are saying, but I still think the flick gets some really critical things right that not only take the Batman mythos to a few places it hasn’t really gotten to before but also give a justifiable end for Nolan’s iteration. I think we all can agree that it is a shame Joker couldn’t be in this film, as I’m sure his inclusion would have been spectacular.

    • Steve Wood steve wood
      November 27, 2013 @ 10:16 am

      I don’t “hate” this movie, but I dislike more than I enjoy, if that makes any sense. There are certainly some things that are done right, as I brought up in the re-visit, but the cons massively outweigh the pros. Not sure if you know this, but the Joker was supposed to have the Scarecrow cameo as the judge in the new “court”, that was the intention if Ledger was still alive, he was never meant to be part of the actual plot.

      I much preferred The Dark Knight over this one, and I’ll be re-visiting it and writing something about it in the next couple of days. I do have problems with that one, however, so we’ll see what kind of feedback I get on that one.

  4. Steve Wood Jack Falvey
    November 27, 2013 @ 10:47 am

    Well, actually, the story hadn’t been written when Ledger died. There has always been speculation about how Joker would have fit into the plot, but I have always like the theory that he would appear in a Hannibal Lecter-like capacity to Batman at some point. The specific callbacks to Begins and complete absence of any mention of Joker in Rises speaks to the idea that Nolan was paying respect to the actor but also that he hadn’t devised the story as far out as that might suggest. I know Nolan does a good job not spoiling his films but he has gone on record saying that the third film was written after Inception was finished. It would have been cool to see Joker as the judge but that wouldn’t really make much sense in the framework of the world, as he is such a dominant presence on his own. If he was loose, I’ve got to think he’d factor more into the overall plot.

    • Steve Wood steve wood
      November 27, 2013 @ 10:55 am

      I completely forgot about the Joker being left out intentionally, I thought that was such a bad decision. Yea, eight years passed by, but The Joker was responsible for both Dent and Rachel dying, you would think during the Alfred speech just before he leaves, the Joker would be brought up at least one. Then with all the talks about Dent at the beginning, and then with Bane later, how was The Joker not brought up?

      That bothered me, I get that Nolan wanted to pay respects to Ledger, but was intentionally leaving his character (arguably the best character he has done) out of the movie really the best way to pay respects to his legacy?